IBC

Hate to do this, but Josh Johnson was on the DL when he pitched for the Mariners on July 12.

Athletics wrote:Hate to do this..........

Come on Jake, grow a sack. You don't need to go acting like you've gained a conscious as of late. Heck, you know you've been playing an ineligible player all year so if Johnson pitched a game when he wasn't suppose to, don't go acting like it makes you feel guilty to bring it up.

......but Josh Johnson was on the DL when he pitched for the Mariners on July 12.

It does look like Johnson didn't get taken out of my rotation during the All-Star break. It looks like I missed it, the DL tracker missed it and the SIM guy missed it. No problem, I'll have him sit out the full month time frame.

Hate to say this, but Jake is 100% correct and giving him shit about it just seems petty.

RedSox wrote:Hate to say this, but Jake is 100% correct and giving him shit about it just seems petty.

Bren, then maybe you should ask Jake why he's been playing Hunter Brown all season, despite knowing the guy is not on a minor league roster or having played a single inning of professional baseball this season. Hunter Brown is about unofficially retired as a guy can get.

After having brought this to Jakes attention in private over a month ago, he continues to play the player.

I don't have any problem with Jake bring up that a player of mine played when he wasn't suppose to, but he doesn't need to try and hide behind the "Hate to say this..." crap, like he's gained a conscious all of a sudden after having been playing a guy that he knew was ineligible the whole first half of the season.

Petty, sure, if you say so Bren. I guess I just don't have much patience for people who will knowingly flaunt the rules and then try and hide behind their conscious.

lol...

this thread has an aura of the ol' IBC board...

brings a tear to my eye... if only Bishop and Josh could chime in...

those were the good old days eh?

Mariners wrote:

RedSox wrote:Hate to say this, but Jake is 100% correct and giving him shit about it just seems petty.

Bren, then maybe you should ask Jake why he's been playing Hunter Brown all season, despite knowing the guy is not on a minor league roster or having played a single inning of professional baseball this season. Hunter Brown is about unofficially retired as a guy can get.

After having brought this to Jakes attention in private over a month ago, he continues to play the player.

I don't have any problem with Jake bring up that a player of mine played when he wasn't suppose to, but he doesn't need to try and hide behind the "Hate to say this..." crap, like he's gained a conscious all of a sudden after having been playing a guy that he knew was ineligible the whole first half of the season.

Petty, sure, if you say so Bren. I guess I just don't have much patience for people who will knowingly flaunt the rules and then try and hide behind their conscious.

actually, he did debate bringing it to the leagues attention himself because he didnt know if it would look nitpicking or shady if he did since hes trying to beat you for the division. so yes, he did labor with the notion and yes, he did hate to say it.

if hunter brown was ineligible, then bring it up. i brought up lidge and i try to make sure nobody is playing hurt.

playing brown, who there is no information about at all anywhere for 2007- or very very little- and playing a hurt player are two things completely seperate. should brown be playing? probably not. was johnson cut and dry on the DL? yeah. neither of these things are related whatsoever.

Screw it. Hunter Brown is gone, the cynics among you might say thats because I finally have guys at his position who are healthy, his ludicrous SIM performance has tailed off, and I needed another draft roster guy, plus I knew he was ineligible all along, but I'm sticking to my story that we're just trying to keep it simple and avoid controversy

if hunter brown was ineligible, then bring it up.

I did, I just chose to do it privately to him directly so it wouldn't become an issue with the whole league, that he'd been playing the guy all season. I let his conscious be his guide from there and obviously that is where I made my mistake.

i brought up lidge and i try to make sure nobody is playing hurt.

As I said, I don't care that he brought up the fact that Johnson pitched a game he shouldn't have or maybe you didn't read that part JP?

The part I took offense to was that he needed to play it off as being some moral dilemma, after knowing he's been playing a guy that was ineligible all season.

playing brown, who there is no information about at all anywhere for 2007- or very very little- and playing a hurt player are two things completely seperate.

Completely separate? Not at all, they are both about playing players that are ineligible. Now are the consequences the same? Or should they be considered the same severity in breaking the rules? Probably not, and that is why I chose to bring the Hunter Brown issue up with Jake in private over a month ago. Now the fact that he chose to ignore the Hunter Brown issue after it was brought to his attention makes it a bit different, IMO. But that's just me and I tend to come across a bit harsh towards those who tend to ignore the rules, as I try and follow them the best I can.

should brown be playing? probably not.

There is no "probably" to it.

was johnson cut and dry on the DL? yeah. neither of these things are related whatsoever.

JP, once again......read my first post if you are having a hard time following along here. I didn't and don't have an issue with the fact that Jake brought up Johnson pitching when he should have been on the DL......that said.......ineligible players playing in the SIM when they are not suppose to IS a related topic, regardless of whether they are ineligible due to being on the DL, being retired or playing in Japan.

Don't worry JP, I realize you've never really been a stickler for the rules.

First of all ropers, the email you sent about Brown was on July 6th (that's 18 days ago, not exactly over a month). Coincidentally enough that email was sent right after I'd beaten you in back to back games. To be completely honest, I knew nothing about Hunter Brown when I signed him or until you brought him up. I saw that he had a useful projection at a position of need, I double checked that he wasn't in Japan, and I stuck him in my lineup. When you brought it up (conveniently) I searched everything I could and found nothing indicating he had been "cut" as you asserted in your email (this included poring over transaction logs and the whole thing). He hasn't played, but I don't see him on any minor league free agent lists, haven't seen him released, haven't seen him retired. Technically it's a gray area. If you want to make an issue of it then fine he's gone, I don't need him anymore, but let's also not compare a platoon left fielder in a gray situation to a guy with practically an ace projection in a black and white one.

Mariners wrote:

if hunter brown was ineligible, then bring it up.

I did, I just chose to do it privately to him directly so it wouldn't become an issue with the whole league, that he'd been playing the guy all season. I let his conscious be his guide from there and obviously that is where I made my mistake.

i brought up lidge and i try to make sure nobody is playing hurt.

As I said, I don't care that he brought up the fact that Johnson pitched a game he shouldn't have or maybe you didn't read that part JP?

The part I took offense to was that he needed to play it off as being some moral dilemma, after knowing he's been playing a guy that was ineligible all season.

playing brown, who there is no information about at all anywhere for 2007- or very very little- and playing a hurt player are two things completely seperate.

Completely separate? Not at all, they are both about playing players that are ineligible. Now are the consequences the same? Or should they be considered the same severity in breaking the rules? Probably not, and that is why I chose to bring the Hunter Brown issue up with Jake in private over a month ago. Now the fact that he chose to ignore the Hunter Brown issue after it was brought to his attention makes it a bit different, IMO. But that's just me and I tend to come across a bit harsh towards those who tend to ignore the rules, as I try and follow them the best I can.

should brown be playing? probably not.

There is no "probably" to it.

was johnson cut and dry on the DL? yeah. neither of these things are related whatsoever.

JP, once again......read my first post if you are having a hard time following along here. I didn't and don't have an issue with the fact that Jake brought up Johnson pitching when he should have been on the DL......that said.......ineligible players playing in the SIM when they are not suppose to IS a related topic, regardless of whether they are ineligible due to being on the DL, being retired or playing in Japan.

Don't worry JP, I realize you've never really been a stickler for the rules.

I don't see why you would just "bring it up privately." Are any of the other ones brought up privately? No. Do you see Hunter Brown on a DL anywhere? I certainly don't. Is there really ANY information out there on him? no, there's not. Perhaps you should have said to the league or to Bren or to ExCo, "hey, what's up with hunter brown? can he play? i dont see him playing anywhere." That would have been the best and obvious course of action.

Clearly though, you do care that he brought up Johnson in front of the league. It's hit an obvious sore spot if you told him to grow a sack and what have you. So no, I didn't miss that part- but the point of you pointing the finger at Hunter Brown is just much more prominant.

Can you find me anything where Brown is retired? Is he playing in Japan? Is he on a leave of absence? A berevermant list? anything? The last I've seen of him he was healthy and playing...last year.

Trust me... I can follow along. You are extremely sour that either 1- you lose Johnson for an additional month crippling your playoff push against Jake who made the post; 2- that it happened in front of the league and 3 hiding it behind Hunter Brown.

Hunter Brown's ability to play in the sim is probably debatable until somebody finds some hard evidence that he's hurt or retired or in Japan. I looked for about 5-10 minutes today (not longer because I don't really give a shit and he's not my player) and I couldn't find a thing. Not one. CBS Sportsline has him playing in 2007 which I know is wrong.

I am following along just fine, thanks though.

And really, what rules do I so maliciously break? At least I haven't done anything to affect an outcome of an actual game by playing a hurt pitcher...a #2 pitcher at that...

Athletics wrote:First of all ropers, the email you sent about Brown was on July 6th (that's 18 days ago, not exactly over a month).

July 6th. Ok, my mistake, youv'e only continued to play him for the better part of July, despite being made aware of his situation.

And actually, it is not a gray area, Jake. It hasn't been a gray area since the Jose Rosado incident.

Coincidentally enough that email was sent right after I'd beaten you in back to back games.

Yes, since I haven't been following the box scores very closely this season, due to a project I'm working on at home, I just happen to see a player that I was familiar with in your lineup. Since he used to be in the Mariner's organization. I also just happen to know he was no longer with the Mariners and wasn't playing in the minors....so I figured I'd be nice about it and bring it to your attention in private. Obviously, you chose to ignore it at the time and just conintued to play him.

To be completely honest, I knew nothing about Hunter Brown when I signed him or until you brought him up. I saw that he had a useful projection at a position of need, I double checked that he wasn't in Japan, and I stuck him in my lineup.

So you basically signed Hunter Brown without actually checking to see if he was still playing baseball anymore and eligible to play in the SIM? I figured as much, which is why I sent you the email initially, so it wouldn't turn into a big incident.

When you brought it up (conveniently) I searched everything I could and found nothing indicating he had been "cut" as you asserted in your email (this included poring over transaction logs and the whole thing). He hasn't played, but I don't see him on any minor league free agent lists, haven't seen him released, haven't seen him retired.

Yes, I brought it to your attention in private and then didn't bother to follow up publically because my intention was to "conveniently" tank your season. IF that was the case Jake, then I would have just posted it on the message board for the rest of the league to see at the time rather than emailing you in private and letting you solve the issue yourself without it becoming a public incident.

I figured that was sufficient at the time and that you'd do the right thing, after finding out that your player wasn't playing baseball anymore.

Technically it's a gray area. If you want to make an issue of it then fine he's gone,

Technically, it is not a gray area. Hasn't been since the Jose Rosado incident.

I don't need him anymore,

But didn't you just say above that you weren't dropping him because you "didn't need him anymore"?

but let's also not compare a platoon left fielder in a gray situation to a guy with practically an ace projection in a black and white one.

Once, again. Go back and read my first post, Jake. I have no problem with you bringing up the fact that Johnson pitched when he wasn't suppose to. He was clearly ineligible at the time and it was my responsibility to make sure he got taken out of my lineup, despite the fact the DL report never came out that weekend for the league. It is still my responsibility to make sure guys don't play on my roster that are ineligible.

As such, it is also a GM's responsibility to make sure players are eligible for the SIM when you sign them. Obviously, I didn't plan on making a big deal of the Hunter Brown issue when I emailed you. I figured it was best handled quietly incase you really weren't paying attention to whether or not he was still in baseball.

Whether you knew beforehand or not isn't a big deal, but the fact that you chose to ignore the issue after I brought it to your attention, is what I think speaks volumes. As such, that is why you got the resonse you did from me, when you tried to play the "moral conscious" card in announcing the Josh Johnson DL violation.

First of all, what is this Jose Rosado incident? Must be before my time, I'd love some elaboration. Second of all, your email said he had been cut, my search revealed that he had not been cut. Show me something that says he was cut from the organization and I'll be there with you. Second of all, he's gone now. Thirdly, are you familiar with the concept of tongue in cheek? That would be the tone of my post about releasing him. I believe it was a gray area (as some other ExCo members apparently do to), but as a member of the ExCo there's no point in having even the appearance of impropriety, especially for a role player who was only signed as an injury replacement (first for Keppy and then for Cody Ross) and kept his job because he had a nice SIM run. I cut Hunter Brown out of respect for the league, not because of any guilt or anything like that, I'd be perfectly comfortable continuing to play him, and if you would like to sign him to replace the recently injured Marcus Thames then by all means do so, I won't complain.

Is there really ANY information out there on him? no, there's not. Perhaps you should have said to the league or to Bren or to ExCo, "hey, what's up with hunter brown? can he play? i dont see him playing anywhere." That would have been the best and obvious course of action.

Yes, there is "real information" out there JP. There is the fact that Hunter Brown is not on any minor league roster and has not played a single inning of baseball in the minors or major leagues this season. As such, he's unofficially retired.

Ask Jake, JP. I did tell him that he should run it by Bren if thought I was wrong. Yes, obviously in hindsite I should have just posted it on the message board rather than emailing him and letting him know that he was playing an ineligible player. I made the mistake of assuming that Jake would realize his mistake and take appropriate action.

Clearly though, you do care that he brought up Johnson in front of the league. It's hit an obvious sore spot if you told him to grow a sack and what have you. So no, I didn't miss that part- but the point of you pointing the finger at Hunter Brown is just much more prominant.

Actually, JP I think you did miss that part. I only brought up the Hunter Brown incident because Jake made a distinct point of playing the moral conscious card by stating, "Hate to do this". Obviously, playing an ineligible player wasn't bothering Jake, so I highly doubt bringing up the Josh Johnson violation bothered him either.

Can you find me anything where Brown is retired? Is he playing in Japan? Is he on a leave of absence? A berevermant list? anything? The last I've seen of him he was healthy and playing...last year.

JP, I don't expect you to be up to date on the rules....you've never been a stickler for following them......when it doesn't suit you.

...but you should probably read the eligibility rule again and focus on the part that says, "Official or Unofficial retirement". Not playing a single inning of baseball this season indicates the guy is either 1) injured and thus should be on the IBC DL, or 2) retired. In addition, if Hunter Brown was on "leave or berevemant" as you want to put it, he would still be assigned to one of the teams minor league rosters. He's not. It is pretty cut and dry.

Trust me... I can follow along. You are extremely sour that either 1- you lose Johnson for an additional month crippling your playoff push against Jake who made the post; 2- that it happened in front of the league and 3 hiding it behind Hunter Brown.

Shit, I haven't had Josh Johnson play for 90% of the season....keeping him out for another 3 weeks isn't the end of the world to me. Maye it would be to you JP............Maybe if I lived and breathed the IBC like you do JP, not making the playoffs one season would be a bigger deal to me. It is not. I have plenty of other things taking up my time, as I've mentioned to many people in the league. The IBC is fun, but it is still just a game and always will be.

I'd almost be willing to bet I've had more injuries this season than Nate had in his infamous season.

Hunter Brown's ability to play in the sim is probably debatable until somebody finds some hard evidence that he's hurt or retired

As Bren made clear after the Jose Rosado incident, a player needed to be playing or assigned to a roster somewhere in the major or minor leagues in order to be eligible for the SIM. Players couldn't be playing over in the Independent leagues and still be eligible in the SIM. They couldn't be playing over in Japan or Korea, etc.

In addition, if there is no evidence of a player playing (stats) or on a roster anywhere, that player is considered to be "unofficially retired". It is not a gray area.

And really, what rules do I so maliciously break?

Maliciously break......none that I'm aware of.......you just don't tend to pay attention to them. I mean really, you and Nils trading a draft pick in the middle of last season's draft after all the hype, discussion, arguements, etc... regarding draft pick trading was truly priceless.

At least I haven't done anything to affect an outcome of an actual game by playing a hurt pitcher...a #2 pitcher at that...

Are you saying that you have never in your entire IBC life had a player that was suppose to be on the DL play for your team? Never?

Athletics wrote:First of all, what is this Jose Rosado incident? Must be before my time, I'd love some elaboration.

Happened in the 2nd year of the league, I believe. Nils played Jose Rosado all season because he had a great SIM pitching projection. Jose Rosado didn't make an MLB squad out of ST that season and was pitching in the Indy League getting his 82 mph fastball rocked.

After that, season Bren stated that players would need to be playing or assigned to an MLB or minor league roster in order to be eligible to play in the IBC.

I believe it was last season that Bren updated the retired or "unofficially" retired policy. That players had to have some sort of evidence that they were still playing somewhere as evidence that they were not "unofficially" retired.

Mariners wrote:

And really, what rules do I so maliciously break?

Maliciously break......none that I'm aware of.......you just don't tend to pay attention to them. I mean really, you and Nils trading a draft pick in the middle of last season's draft after all the hype, discussion, arguements, etc... regarding draft pick trading was truly priceless.

At least I haven't done anything to affect an outcome of an actual game by playing a hurt pitcher...a #2 pitcher at that...

Are you saying that you have never in your entire IBC life had a player that was suppose to be on the DL play for your team? Never?

Truly priceless? a Pick itself wasnt traded.

Maybe you should try following things more closely rather than telling me to. The Player was on my team for nearly a month. The Co-Commish didn't even notice. As SOON as it happened, I went to Bren. Literally, minutes later, saying oops. So how priceless is that? Really?

And was it in the middle of the draft, or was it at the very end of it? I believe within days the entire draft besides the bonus rounds were concluded. So get your facts straight. I'm sure you only backed Bren and his steep penalty because it did benefit you, though, so you could move up an extra draft slot. Nobody else in the league agreed with it and MANY wanted it taken away entirely- not just myself.

Obviously, Bren found the penalty to be too severe too since he came to ME with that idea out of the blue to get it lessened. So bringing that Into this thread is probably the most assinine thing i've seen in awhile and I expect a little more out of you.

I don't recall having many players ever play DL'ed for me. Maybe one or two have slipped through the cracks. Some bum RP may have played or something along the lines, but no, not a player with an ace SP projection. Not that I'm aware of.

And if it did happen, I would say, fuck, my bad-- I wouldnt say "Ha ha ha I told you about this player not being able to play, and you look like an asshole for keeping on playing that player and for calling me out on my CLEAR DL violation! ha ha ha!"

Truly priceless? a Pick itself wasnt traded.

Bren made the situation very clear to everyone in the league.

The Co-Commish didn't even notice.

That's almost as good as you and Nils making that trade, JP. Nils seems like a great guy, but lets not pretend here that he is the most up to date guy on what's going on in the league. The jokes have long been told about Nils ghost involvement in the league.

I'm sure you only backed Bren and his steep penalty because it did benefit you, though, so you could move up an extra draft slot. Nobody else in the league agreed with it and MANY wanted it taken away entirely- not just myself.

Sure JP.....that's the only reason I thought Bren should stick to the penalty that he clearly stated prior to the draft and was made extremely public. Getting to move from the 24th or so pick to the 22nd would make such a world of difference in my draft. That must have been the reason I backed Bren's decision. Because, you know, actually handing out the penalty for the violation as stated prior to the violation is such a bad thing to do.

Obviously, Bren found the penalty to be too severe too since he came to ME with that idea out of the blue to get it lessened.

You sure it wasn't because of all your constant whining and crying about the penalty after the fact? How many times after that penalty was assessed did Bren have to tell you to quit bringing it up?

So bringing that Into this thread is probably the most assinine thing i've seen in awhile and I expect a little more out of you.

I think it was just about as "assinine" as someone who had decided to continue to play an ineligilbe player to start a thread with "I Hate to Do This".

And if it did happen, I would say, fuck, my bad--

You mean kind of like this?

It does look like Johnson didn't get taken out of my rotation during the All-Star break. It looks like I missed it, the DL tracker missed it and the SIM guy missed it. No problem, I'll have him sit out the full month time frame.

Mariners wrote:

Truly priceless? a Pick itself wasnt traded.

Bren made the situation very clear to everyone in the league.

The Co-Commish didn't even notice.

That's almost as good as you and Nils making that trade, JP. Nils seems like a great guy, but lets not pretend here that he is the most up to date guy on what's going on in the league. The jokes have long been told about Nils ghost involvement in the league.

I'm sure you only backed Bren and his steep penalty because it did benefit you, though, so you could move up an extra draft slot. Nobody else in the league agreed with it and MANY wanted it taken away entirely- not just myself.

Sure JP.....that's the only reason I thought Bren should stick to the penalty that he clearly stated prior to the draft and was made extremely public. Getting to move from the 24th or so pick to the 22nd would make such a world of difference in my draft. That must have been the reason I backed Bren's decision. Because, you know, actually handing out the penalty for the violation as stated prior to the violation is such a bad thing to do.

Obviously, Bren found the penalty to be too severe too since he came to ME with that idea out of the blue to get it lessened.

You sure it wasn't because of all your constant whining and crying about the penalty after the fact? How many times after that penalty was assessed did Bren have to tell you to quit bringing it up?

So bringing that Into this thread is probably the most assinine thing i've seen in awhile and I expect a little more out of you.

I think it was just about as "assinine" as someone who had decided to continue to play an ineligilbe player to start a thread with "I Hate to Do This".

And if it did happen, I would say, fuck, my bad--

You mean kind of like this?

It does look like Johnson didn't get taken out of my rotation during the All-Star break. It looks like I missed it, the DL tracker missed it and the SIM guy missed it. No problem, I'll have him sit out the full month time frame.

Did he? So is that why you continue to say that a PICK and not a PLAYER was traded?

It looks like you'll be picking a little better than 24th this year pal. So yes, the move up two slots could be a nice little difference if you'll be in the teens.

I mean kind of like what you said...except without all the bitching and moaning about Hunter Brown and looking like a dick that doesn't like being caught for using Johnson in front of the league. Instead, you divert the attention to Hunter Brown when you COULD HAVE EASILY- very easily- posted a thread about it when you first noticed it questioning his eligibility.

How does Hunter Brown translate into Josh Johnson anyway? Whats the relevance? The fact is Jake DIDN'T Want to call you out - not because of Hunter Brown- but for the fact that he is going to (likely after his last trade) bury you in the standings for this year. He didn't want it to come off as a desperation move on his part to put some seperation between him and you-- which you talking about Hunter Brown endlessly in this thread looks like to me.

I think Bren told me to stop bringing it up twice. Once when it happened, and once when he looked at it again. And actually, both times he said "check back in a month or two and let it sit." So he actually never told me to shut up about it completely. Obviously, he even knew that the penalty was too harsh- and MOST- almost everyone excluding you- felt the same way.

So not only when you get called out for playing an injured top of the rotation pitcher (I'm not so sure I would call him an ace but he's your #1) so your #1 SP, you not only drag Hunter Brown- who is not hurt and has gray area- more black than gray but still gray- and then the draft pick fiasco into this?

You're reaeching. big time.

I think Bren told me to stop bringing it up twice. Once when it happened, and once when he looked at it again. And actually, both times he said "check back in a month or two and let it sit." So he actually never told me to shut up about it completely. Obviously, he even knew that the penalty was too harsh- and MOST- almost everyone excluding you- felt the same way.

JP, if that isn't the biggest form or revisionist history I've seen in the IBC yet, then I don't know what is. You really should go back and re-read those 40 and 50+ long email strings after Bren announced your penality.

No, seriously this just typifies the tone running between you and Bren during all those "dicsussions".


JP Starkey to Bren.....show details Jan 18

Good, then kick me out for making a trade. Give me examples of rules similar to this that have been broken, and please give me a list of all penalty's imposed upon GM's.

I'm sure those were very "pleasant and cordial" discussions you had with Bren, from the sounds of it.

JP, your revisionist views on events are entertaining but this is going nowhere so I'll let you go ahead and make your response and we can end this here.

Mariners wrote:

I think Bren told me to stop bringing it up twice. Once when it happened, and once when he looked at it again. And actually, both times he said "check back in a month or two and let it sit." So he actually never told me to shut up about it completely. Obviously, he even knew that the penalty was too harsh- and MOST- almost everyone excluding you- felt the same way.

JP, if that isn't the biggest form or revisionist history I've seen in the IBC yet, then I don't know what is. You really should go back and re-read those 40 and 50+ long email strings after Bren announced your penality.

No, seriously this just typifies the tone running between you and Bren during all those "dicsussions".


JP Starkey to Bren.....show details Jan 18

Good, then kick me out for making a trade. Give me examples of rules similar to this that have been broken, and please give me a list of all penalty's imposed upon GM's.

I'm sure those were very "pleasant and cordial" discussions you had with Bren, from the sounds of it.

JP, your revisionist views on events are entertaining but this is going nowhere so I'll let you go ahead and make your response and we can end this here.

Jan 18- Knee jerk reaction phase. Bren only told me to shut up about it on two counts- and by the way I stand by my behavior in January as the penalty is and was ridiculous but at least it has been reduced to my liking- after that email thread, and again, in April or May or whenever the thread was brought back up.

So when he told me I absolutely had to shut up, guess what bucko? I did. Thanks for playing.

Did i say anything about being plesant or cordial at first? no, I didn't. would I be pleasant or cordial if it happened again? Maybe but I wouldnt be surprised if I were to snap again, either.

Bren told me EACH time to bring it up again in a few months so the case was never completely closed.

Again, thanks for playing. And way to turn a thread about YOUR mistake in which you could directly affect the outcome of a game with your ace pitching during a playoff chase into a ridiculous rule/punishment/fiasco that has NOTHING To do with the price of tea in china. Nothing.

And saying "kick me out for making a trade." Is that really that unpleasant? is it? am I pointing the finger at Hunter brown?

Did you take the time to read any other point of views? It's amazing, you get caught breaking a rule and you point the finger at Jake and then at me for backing him.

As re: Hunter Brown- that shit with Chris Snelling last year and his rehab/Milb DL was equi-shady. Just for the record, if you want to pull out all the stops here.

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Brennan, you are almost as much at fault on Brown as Jake is. bringing it to his attention is all well and good, but the thing you should have done, as was done in the Rosado situation, was bring it to the League's attention. It's like teling someone their player is on the DL, then not bringing it to the attention of the league, which is what you SHOULD have done.

IMO, you both screwed up.

Did you take the time to read any other point of views? It's amazing, you get caught breaking a rule and you point the finger at Jake and then at me for backing him.

I did. I'd read them all then and it was pretty entertaining reading them again today.

No, I admitted to making the mistake JP. I admitted it in my first post of this thread.


[quote}As re: Hunter Brown- that shit with Chris Snelling last year and his rehab/Milb DL was equi-shady. Just for the record, if you want to pull out all the stops here.[/quote]

Since you want to bring up past events.....there was nothing "shady" about Chris Snelling last year, the Mariner's official MLB team site listed the transaction activating him from the DL.

How much more official do you want?

But since you want to bring up "shady transactions".....what was that deal again you did last season that dipped about as far into the "gray area" as possible, but there wasn't a specific rule in the IBC Rules spelling out that you couldn't do it, so you felt it was justified. Afterwhich Bren had to slam the door shut on that loophole. Yeah, probably not the best time to bring that one up, eh?

JP, I don't think you are the one to be bringing up shady transactions.

RedSox wrote:Alright...
Brennan, you are almost as much at fault on Brown as Jake is. bringing it to his attention is all well and good, but the thing you should have done, as was done in the Rosado situation, was bring it to the League's attention. It's like teling someone their player is on the DL, then not bringing it to the attention of the league, which is what you SHOULD have done.

IMO, you both screwed up.

Agreed. That was my mistake. Guaranteed, won't happen again.

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Did you take the time to read any other point of views? It's amazing, you get caught breaking a rule and you point the finger at Jake and then at me for backing him.

I did. I'd read them all then and it was pretty entertaining reading them again today.

No, I admitted to making the mistake JP. I admitted it in my first post of this thread.


[quote}As re: Hunter Brown- that shit with Chris Snelling last year and his rehab/Milb DL was equi-shady. Just for the record, if you want to pull out all the stops here.

Since you want to bring up past events.....there was nothing "shady" about Chris Snelling last year, the Mariner's official MLB team site listed the transaction activating him from the DL.

How much more official do you want?

But since you want to bring up "shady transactions".....what was that deal again you did last season that dipped about as far into the "gray area" as possible, but there wasn't a specific rule in the IBC Rules spelling out that you couldn't do it, so you felt it was justified. Afterwhich Bren had to slam the door shut on that loophole. Yeah, probably not the best time to bring that one up, eh?

JP, I don't think you are the one to be bringing up shady transactions.[/quote]

Oh, you mean the one where I pitched Harden intentionally in H2H games back to back to prove the point since Bren hadn't listened to what I had said about it? I kept telling him to make an announcement about it and to send out multiple databases to discourage it- yet still didn't do it anyway. Oh you mean the one when I tried to get the rule established by proving what can be done in April between two non contenders so that it didnt happen in September?

Oh.